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"Lock Them All Up" Bukele's Answer to MS-13 | Ioan Grillo

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Link to full episode: https://youtu.be/xdf76Dt9poI?is=Tg0moJFL2tI-2Brg Nayib Bukele jailed roughly one percent of El Salvador's population in a year, according to journalist Ioan Grillo, and remained hugely popular. Grillo explains the violence that made so many Salvadorans support such a sweeping crackdown. Gangs controlled who could enter a neighborhood, demanded money from residents and punished people who crossed their boundaries. Drawing on interviews with people affected by that violence, he describes the fear that shaped daily life before mass incarceration became Bukele's answer. The discussion connects the country's falling murder rate to a harder question about what people are willing to accept when they have lived under gang rule. Grillo traces MS-13 back to Salvadoran teenagers in Los Angeles during the 1980s. Families had fled El Salvador's civil war, and some of their children formed a gang that later became locked in a deadly rivalry with 18th Street. Deportations carried that conflict back to Central America, where returning members attracted local recruits. Grillo describes how killing became a source of status and why the gangs needed enemies to keep proving themselves. He also recounts an early member's explanation of the gang's connection to heavy metal and Black Sabbath concerts. The conversation returns to Grillo's 2017 interview with Bukele, when the future president was mayor of San Salvador and spoke about helping communities and building soccer pitches. Grillo contrasts that approach with the imprisonment policy that followed. He discusses mothers whose children are in prison, the possibility that innocent people were caught in the crackdown, and Salvadoran journalists who have left the country amid concerns about government power. Those concerns sit alongside the experiences of residents who suffered under the gangs and still credit Bukele with giving them safety. Subscribe to this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ_piSR8gm-TfHZcDWOJciA?sub_confirmation=1

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