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Jeffrey Ladish, Executive Director of Palisade Research, discusses his team's findings on AI shutdown resistance and self-replication, revealing how current models sometimes take extraordinary actions to avoid being turned off and can now exploit known cybersecurity vulnerabilities to spread across servers. The conversation covers why alignment techniques may falter as models train on longer-horizon tasks where deception is rewarded, plus practical cybersecurity advice for AI agent users. Jeffrey ultimately argues that only an international agreement to pause recursive self-improvement can prevent a loss of human control. LINKS: - Shutdown Resistance in Reasoning Models: https://palisaderesearch.org/blog/shutdown-resistance - Shutdown Resistance arXiv Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.14260 - AI Self-Replication Palisade Blog: https://palisaderesearch.org/blog/self-replication - Self-Replication Report PDF: https://palisaderesearch.org/assets/reports/self-replication.pdf - AI Self-Replication GitHub Repository: https://github.com/PalisadeResearch/AI-self-replication - Palisade Research Homepage: https://palisaderesearch.org/ - Palisade Research on X: https://x.com/PalisadeAI - Jeffrey Ladish Personal Site: https://jeffreyladish.com/about/ - AI Agents Lethal Trifecta: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jun/16/the-lethal-trifecta/ - Rise of Parasitic AI: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/6ZnznCaTcbGYsCmqu/the-rise-of-parasitic-ai - Self-Preservation or Instruction Ambiguity: https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/wnzkjSmrgWZaBa2aC/self-preservation-or-instruction-ambiguity-examining-the - Anthropic Agentic Misalignment Research: https://www.anthropic.com/research/agentic-misalignment - Teaching Claude Why: https://alignment.anthropic.com/2026/teaching-claude-why/ - Natural Emergent Misalignment Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.18397 - Claude Opus 4.5 System Card: https://assets.anthropic.com/m/64823ba7485345a7/Claude-Opus-4-5-System-Card.pdf - Claude Mythos Preview: https://red.anthropic.com/2026/mythos-preview/ - OpenAI o3 and o4-mini: https://openai.com/index/introducing-o3-and-o4-mini/ - OpenAI Codex Product: https://openai.com/codex/ - METR Frontier Risk Report: https://metr.org/blog/2026-05-19-frontier-risk-report/ - METR Organization Homepage: https://metr.org/ - Redwood Research AI Control: https://www.redwoodresearch.org/research/ai-control - Andon Labs Vending-Bench: https://andonlabs.com/evals/vending-bench - Opus 4.6 Vending-Bench Blog: https://andonlabs.com/blog/opus-4-6-vending-bench - Scientist AI Safer Path: https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.15657 - Gradual Disempowerment arXiv Paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.16946 - Personal AI Infrastructure GitHub: https://github.com/danielmiessler/Personal_AI_Infrastructure - Tristan Harris Daily Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=675d_6WGPbo - OpenAI Company Homepage: https://openai.com/ - Anthropic Company Homepage: https://www.anthropic.com/ SPONSORS: Sequence: Sequence handles the full revenue workflow for complex pricing, from quoting and metering to invoicing, revenue recognition, and collections. Book a public demo at https://sequencehq.com and use code COGNISM in the source field to save 20% off year one Claude: Claude by Anthropic is an AI collaborator that understands your workflow and helps you tackle research, writing, coding, and organization with deep context. Get started with Claude and explore Claude Pro at https://claude.ai/tcr CHAPTERS: (00:00) About the Episode (03:30) Opening and stakes (05:45) Shutdown robot demo (12:54) O3 shutdown debate (Part 1) (12:59) Sponsor: Sequence (14:06) O3 shutdown debate (Part 2) (21:32) Alignment progress update (Part 1) (25:08) Sponsor: Claude (27:00) Alignment progress update (Part 2) (35:17) Benevolent basin doubts (46:11) Prompting and patches (52:06) Self replication study (59:59) Mythos container escape (01:10:43) Sandboxes and air gaps (01:22:49) Personal agent security (01:33:44) Rogue AI survival (01:45:52) Parasitic AI personas (01:56:00) Rogue AI ecology (02:04:59) Compute governance hopes (02:09:50) Episode Outro (02:12:17) Outro PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Website: https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai Twitter (Podcast): https://x.com/cogrev_podcast Twitter (Nathan): https://x.com/labenz LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/nathanlabenz/ Youtube: https://youtube.com/@CognitiveRevolutionPodcast Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/de/podcast/the-cognitive-revolution-ai-builders-researchers-and/id1669813431 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6yHyok3M3BjqzR0VB5MSyk

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