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Grimes joins me on Proto Pop for an exclusive conversation about her new album, Psy Opera, revealing track titles, lyrics, and the inspiration behind her new era. She talks about making art when you’re inherently controversial, and journeys back through her creative legacy: from the internet’s fixation on her debut album Visions, to her masterpiece Art Angels, and her most recent album, Miss Anthropocene. On the docket: why did she join and leave a major label? Does she still hate Art Angels, as she’s said in the past? What did Taylor Swift teach her about making pop songs? Elsewhere, she opines about motherhood, the freedom of cancellation, and we unpack Psy Opera’s explorations of AI, looksmaxxing, beauty, religion, and human connection: clarifying whether she used AI on this new record (she didn’t), and what her relationship is to music criticism. Proto Pop is co-produced by Zachary Houriane & FWB Talent, edited by Tyler Murphy, and styled by Michael Kirreh, with research by Bianca Brock. 00:00 Intro 02:07 Why Grimes Came Back to Music 05:14 Why Grimes Left Her Major Label 07:03 Art Angels, Avril Lavigne & Becoming a Pop Star 11:05 Was “California” Taylor Swift Cosplay? 14:17 Why Grimes Stopped Producing Everything Herself 15:33 Does Grimes Still Hate Art Angels? 16:33 Grimes Wants Therapy With Anthony Fantano 18:45 Are Algorithms Making Music Less Interesting? 20:39 Why Misanthropocene Was Misunderstood 23:09 DeepSeek, Lana Del Rey & Writing With AI 27:15 Exploring AI Isn’t the Same as Endorsing It 30:40 What Psy Opera Is Really About 33:42 Can AI Love Us? Grimes Thinks So 36:01 Motherhood, Rage & Living in Public Terror 37:59 How Getting Canceled Made Grimes Feel Free 39:10 Anne Boleyn & History’s “Canceled Women” 41:05 Looksmaxxing, Clavicular & the Meaning of “Mog” 44:09 Body Mods, Internet Brain Rot & Being the Jester 45:23 How Young Thug’s Trial Inspired “Mog” 46:00 Is Beauty Replacing God? 49:25 “Problematic”: Why Grimes Won’t Compromise 52:26 Are We Asking Too Much of Pop Stars? 55:49 “Propaganda” Started With a Luigi Musical 57:20 North Korean Pop & Music as Diplomacy 58:57 Grimes Defends KATSEYE 01:00:50 Writing for K-Pop, LISA & Working With Adéla 01:03:26 Why Grimes Thinks XG Are Changing Pop 01:04:46 What K-Pop Gets Right About Pop Stars 01:06:17 Kendrick vs. Drake & Why Music Needs Gatekeeping 01:07:16 Charli xcx, Phoebe Bridgers & Who Excites Grimes 01:08:29 Grimes’ Musical Icons: Enya, Outkast & Sinéad O’Connor 01:10:30 Why Grimes Avoided Rosalía’s LUX 01:12:15 Madonna’s “American Life” & Art Too Controversial to Release 01:12:50 Psy Opera: Release Plans & What’s Next 01:13:17 Bonus: Grimes’ Vintage Outfit & Why She’s Done Buying New Don't be a stranger! 📸 INSTAGRAM: http://www.instagram.com/theswiftologist 📹 TIKTOK: https://www.tiktok.com/@theeswiftologist 💰 PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/swiftologist 🎙️ MY TAYLOR SWIFT PODCAST: https://open.spotify.com/show/70xT4aA9FayuPmrRAbMrSn?si=c98fe3074d234e82 📸 PODCAST INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/evolutionofasnake/ 💌 EMAIL: [email protected]

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