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Engineering is shipping code faster than anyone can read it. Security's answer can't be a person clicking "approve" on every step an agent takes. StackHawk co-founder and CEO Joni Klippert sits down with StackHawk board member Joe Sullivan, who has led security at Meta, Uber, and Cloudflare. They get into why "human in the loop" stops working once engineering runs on agents, what it looks like when security sits over the loop instead, and how security leaders should get budget, pick a pilot, and get comfortable with tools that change every month. Also covered: the Homer Simpson approach to code review, and why it isn't working. Chapters 0:00 Intro 0:23 Why "human over the loop" 0:45 What security leaders are saying about AI 1:54 Mythos-class models and chained vulnerabilities 3:39 Human in the loop vs. human over the loop 4:22 Rubber-stamp approvals and software factories 7:00 What is a security team supposed to do? 8:20 What "over the loop" looks like in AppSec 9:17 Retool or reskill: get technical, stay curious 10:42 Trusting your tools again 11:42 Putting security inside the agent loop 13:47 The holy grail of vulnerability management 14:52 Token budgets for security teams 16:07 Making the case to the CEO and board 18:00 Is "human in the loop" the new no? 18:46 Why this is uncomfortable for security people 20:47 What to do tomorrow morning Links StackHawk, the vulnerability remediation layer for software factories: https://www.stackhawk.com Wingman (the find, fix, retest loop Joni describes at 11:42): https://www.stackhawk.com/wingman/ Why Joe joined StackHawk's board: https://stackhawk.com/blog/joe-sullivan-joins-stackhawk-board #AppSec #AISecurity #CISO

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