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Nature finance fails because prevention is invisible. Christopher White of Conservation International says conservation capital arrives after fires, and blended finance is his fix for nature investing. This is TBLI Radical Truth with Robert Rubinstein, recorded from Hong Kong while Los Angeles was burning. White's argument is about human nature before it is about capital. We will pay for a higher sea wall after the flood, a better fire plan after the fire, a new road after the old one washes out. We will not pay for the thing that quietly stops any of it happening, because nobody ever gets to see the disaster that did not occur. That is the whole problem with financing nature, and he thinks conservation organisations have to own it rather than blame investors for it. Christopher White works on strategy and innovative finance at Conservation International, which was founded in 1987, employs around 1,600 people and works mostly outside the United States. He is based in Seattle. WHAT'S COVERED - Why a culture that funds disasters will not fund prevention, and what that costs - Billions into climate technology and almost nothing into nature, because tech has something you can see and touch - The African Conservancies Facility: recoverable grants that kept Maasai Mara conservancies alive when tourism collapsed - What happened to the land, the wildlife and the grasslands once the money went in - Why he thinks the value may not be in carbon itself, but in the thing standing next to it - The returns he considers realistic, and why blending capital lowers the risk on the investment portion - Why philanthropy cannot scale globally: most economies give their citizens no tax reason to give - Commonland, and what a nonprofit can do with long land leases that a fund never could - Why Conservation International capped its first vehicle at five million dollars - The one thing that surprised him most about the money now looking for a home - Climate change as a national security question, and an elephant park in northern Kenya - Warren Buffett on the investment pitch that draws applause, and why they are taking the yawn route CHAPTERS 00:00 Hong Kong, and five in the morning in Seattle 02:55 Conservation International, and where it came from 04:00 Nature as solution, oceans, and nature positive economies 05:50 Blending philanthropic and investment capital 08:16 Fifty years of waiting for industry to follow 09:14 Billions into climate tech, almost nothing into nature 11:01 Climate tech has products you can see and touch 12:59 Direct air capture, and a shot glass in the ocean 14:38 The African Conservancies Facility 15:38 What happened when the tourists came back 16:37 Where the value is, when carbon is invisible 17:56 Do the Los Angeles fires bring donors? 19:06 A culture that pays for disasters, not prevention 21:45 The returns he thinks are realistic 22:39 Why blending lowers the risk on investment capital 23:40 Commonland, and what a nonprofit can do that a fund cannot 26:50 Why philanthropy will not scale: tax law is not universal 29:39 What surprised him about the money coming in 35:23 What success looks like in five years 43:21 Keeping your sanity while everyone pulls you back 45:36 Climate change as a national security question 50:30 A hotel in Indonesia, guaranteed at five percent 55:08 Round two, and why the cap is five million 1:00:10 The Dutch CEO and the wealth manager who said no ▶ Subscribe for a new Radical Truth conversation every week: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDBhRVM93uUnAAtqOMIz_yg?sub_confirmation=1 RELATED EPISODES - David Brand, New Forests, on nature as an asset class and 18 years without a negative return. - Thomas Crowther on why aiming at carbon instead of ecosystems produced monocultures. MORE ON CONSERVATION INTERNATIONAL - Conservation International: https://www.conservation.org - African Conservancies Facility: https://www.conservation.org/ci-ventures/african-conservancies-facility - CI Ventures: https://www.conservation.org/ci-ventures ABOUT THE TBLI RADICAL TRUTH PODCAST Welcome to the TBLI Radical Truth Podcast, where we feature the pioneers redefining the purpose of capital. For 30 years, TBLI Group has been the world's leading ESG and impact investing network. Here's why Radical Truth is different: most finance podcasts protect the industry — Radical Truth interrogates it. Every week, unfiltered conversations with the founders, fund managers and system-changers actually moving capital toward a liveable future, and calling out the impact-washing that isn't. No sponsors. No pretending. TBLI GROUP - https://www.tbligroup.com - Robert Rubinstein on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertrubinstein/ #NatureFinance #BlendedFinance #ConservationInternational #ImpactInvesting #Biodiversity #NatureBasedSolutions #ClimateFinance #Conservation #NaturePositive #RecoverableGrants #ChristopherWhite #TBLIRadicalTruth Recorded in 2025.

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