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Chad Kultgen — novelist, screenwriter, co-creator of Game of Roses (a.k.a. Bachelor Clues), co-host of Dudesy, and host of YouTube's The Necessary Conversation — joins Podsongs for a 90-minute interview with guest host Robin Dann of the Toronto art-pop band Bernice. Robin is a two-time Polaris Music Prize nominee with Bernice, and on this episode she steps into the host seat to dig into the ideas driving Chad's work: kayfabe, reality TV as sport, AI, and the politics of nihilism. The conversation covers kayfabe in professional wrestling and how the same logic now shapes The Bachelor, reality TV at large, social media, and American politics — including villain edits, engineered viral trends, and the "four audiences" framework from Game of Roses. They discuss the primary world shifting onto screens, what AR, Neuralink-style tech, and AI tools like Suno mean for art, labor, and music, and whether AI music will disrupt songwriting the way AI has disrupted comedy on Dudesy. Chad opens up about his nihilistic worldview, his position on free will, and how he navigates political conversations with his MAGA-supporting parents on The Necessary Conversation. The episode also gets into his day-to-day creative grind, his musical background and regrets about not studying music formally, his Logic production setup, his obsession with Mormon influencer culture, and the producer mindset he learned from Elon Gale. Robin talks about her own musical roots — jazz studies, Paris, a master's at Goldsmiths — the Toronto scene, Bernice's work in Italy, and her ASMR obsession. The two close by agreeing to collaborate on a song drawn from the interview. The song that came out of this conversation, "Let's Go Supernova," was written by Robin Dann and is released May 1. Guests: Chad Kultgen (Bachelor Clues, Game of Roses, Dudesy, The Necessary Conversation) — https://www.youtube.com/@TheNecessaryConversation Robin Dann (Bernice) — https://bernicemusic.com Song: "Let's Go Supernova" — written by Robin Dann. Pre-save: https://ffm.to/gosupernova Podsongs: https://podsongs.com 00:00 Welcome and Guests 00:34 Meet Robin Dan 03:20 Musical Roots and Training 03:48 Paris London and Goldsmiths 05:07 Awards Scene and Touring 06:52 Italy Grants and Logistics 09:04 ASMR Obsession Explained 11:29 Bachelor as Sport 15:30 Who Is Chad Colchin 22:10 Chad Joins the Call 25:57 Kayfabe and Reality 36:03 Doodsy and AI Comedy 39:44 Parasocial Primary World 41:59 AR Future and Art Labor 50:07 AI Music Disruption 50:27 Suno AI Songmaking 51:38 Mormon Influencer Obsession 53:51 Cracks in Kayfabe 55:04 Engineered Viral Trends 57:47 Nihilism With Humor 01:01:19 Parents Politics No Free Will 01:03:49 Day in the Life Grind 01:05:15 Weed and Creativity 01:06:41 Ultimate Goal Reality 01:09:56 Music Roots and Regrets 01:13:47 Theme Song Looping 01:16:16 Reality TV Spy Secrets 01:20:36 Four Audiences Explained 01:21:34 Pit Dwellers Community 01:23:15 John Wilson Edit Kayfabe 01:24:37 Pitching The Bracket 01:25:59 Elon Gale Producer Mindset 01:28:01 Goodbyes and Collab Plans 01:31:05 Post Interview Debrief 01:32:36 Saint Berenice Plug 01:33:28 Final Song Playback // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL // Newsletter, donations and download the song for €/$1 @ https://podsongs.com // LINKS // Website: https://podsongs.com Podcast episodes: https://podsongs.com/podcast-episodes Songs: https://podsongs.com/music Spotify artist: https://open.spotify.com/artist/32FYyRx1y1ex3jHHAgLMC7?si=4Nv7WW85SbSPZvCsj1o7Ig Spotify playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6sN1viy82HPiNTVX2YBxpq?si=1b84c2b9bdea4656 // SOCIAL // Twitter: https://twitter.com/podsongs Instagram: https://instagram.com/podsongs Facebook: https://facebook.com/podsongs

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