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Ecocide law would make the worst environmental crime a personal offence. Jojo Mehta co-founded Stop Ecocide International, and the definition is now at the International Criminal Court. This is TBLI Radical Truth with Robert Rubinstein. Mehta's argument is that environmental regulation can be played by anyone with deep enough pockets, because a fine is a cost of doing business and nobody is personally accountable. Criminal law works differently. As she puts it, murder is not a crime in order to punish murderers, it is a crime in order to stop us killing each other. There is currently no line anywhere saying severe harm to nature is simply unacceptable. Jojo Mehta co-founded Stop Ecocide International with the late barrister Polly Higgins. The organisation works with governments, legal advisers and civil society to have ecocide recognised as a serious crime at national, regional and international level. An independent panel it convened drafted the legal definition in 2021. WHAT'S COVERED - The definition that fits on the back of a business card, and every word in it that does work - Where the word came from: Agent Orange in Vietnam, 1970, and fifty years in a legal backwater - Why criminal law rather than rights of nature, and why individual liability is the point - Polly Higgins at the window of the Royal Courts of Justice, asking how you create a legal duty of care for the Earth - The clause on severe, widespread and long-term environmental harm that was drafted and then dropped from the Rome Statute - Why aiming at the ICC creates coherence, when going government by government means four ministries each time - What happened to the movement after Polly died, and why it accelerated rather than stopped - The EU's 2024 environmental crimes directive, and the qualified offence written into its preamble - Vanuatu, Fiji and Samoa's proposal at the ICC, and the Democratic Republic of Congo backing it across Africa - Belgium's federal ecocide law, and how far France has and has not gone - Ukraine, and nature as the silent victim of war - Dow Chemical, Shell and Brent Spar: what happens when nobody wants to work for you - Why this is a level playing field argument for business, not just a restriction - Ghana's illegal gold mining, and why she calls this anti-danger rather than anti-development - Why the International Corporate Governance Network asked governments to legislate for this CHAPTERS 00:00 Introduction, and meeting Jojo Mehta 01:31 What counts as ecocide, and what does not 02:27 Agent Orange, 1970, and where the word came from 03:21 The definition that fits on a business card 03:49 Why criminal law, and who is actually liable 05:28 "Murder is not a crime in order to punish murderers" 06:30 Polly Higgins at the window of the Royal Courts of Justice 07:54 The clause that was dropped from the Rome Statute 08:46 Why aim at the ICC rather than one government at a time 10:05 What happened after Polly died 15:16 The EU's 2024 environmental crimes directive 16:34 Vanuatu, Fiji and Samoa at the ICC, and the DRC behind them 17:22 Victim states: the Pacific, the Congo basin, and Ukraine 18:36 Belgium, France, and what has actually passed 25:24 Dow Chemical, Shell, and when nobody wants to work for you 26:39 Why a level playing field is the business case 31:25 15 parliaments, 30 governments, and the IUCN resolution 35:12 The biggest obstacle: what people assume criminal law is for 38:15 Ghana, gold mining, and anti-danger rather than anti-development 40:54 Why big investors asked governments to legislate for ecocide ▶ Subscribe for a new Radical Truth conversation every week: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDBhRVM93uUnAAtqOMIz_yg?sub_confirmation=1 RELATED EPISODES - Philipp Kauffmann, Sacred Forests, on paying Indigenous guardians per hectare per year. - Barney Swan, ClimateForce, on why biodiversity needs its own credit rather than carbon's. MORE ON JOJO MEHTA - Stop Ecocide International: https://www.stopecocide.earth ABOUT THE TBLI RADICAL TRUTH PODCAST Welcome to the TBLI Radical Truth Podcast, where we feature the pioneers redefining the purpose of capital. For 30 years, TBLI Group has been the world's leading ESG and impact investing network. Here's why Radical Truth is different: most finance podcasts protect the industry — Radical Truth interrogates it. Every week, unfiltered conversations with the founders, fund managers and system-changers actually moving capital toward a liveable future, and calling out the impact-washing that isn't. No sponsors. No pretending. TBLI GROUP - https://www.tbligroup.com - Robert Rubinstein on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertrubinstein/ #Ecocide #EcocideLaw #EnvironmentalLaw #InternationalCriminalCourt #ClimateJustice #Biodiversity #ESG #CorporateAccountability #RightsOfNature #Sustainability #JojoMehta #TBLIRadicalTruth Recorded in Amsterdam.

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