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Men's mental health does not care what you built. Shawn Lesser co-founded an impact investing bank. Brent Herd opened Twitter's Atlanta office. Both hit depression and burnout that stopped them dead. This is TBLI Radical Truth with Robert Rubinstein. Lesser describes the breakdown that took him off a Zoom call and into a psychiatric unit, and what it cost him afterwards. Herd describes reaching the same place a decade earlier and what he learned pulling himself out. Their argument is that the thing that helped most was not a prescription or a diagnosis. It was another man who had been there, at six in the morning, saying meet me for coffee. Shawn Lesser co-founded Big Path Capital in 2007, the first impact investing investment bank, after fifteen years in international institutional equity sales. Brent Herd was an early Yahoo employee and opened Twitter's Atlanta office in 2010, staying as it grew from 150 people to 4,000. They co-founded The Real, a men's mental health initiative, and have taken it on an eight city speaking tour. WHAT'S COVERED - What a breakdown actually looks like from the inside, and the day it stopped being manageable - Losing the company he had built, at the exact moment he was least able to absorb it - The text message from his wife to a man he barely knew, and what happened next - Why the person who helped most was not a clinician, and what they are careful to say about that - The stigma that stops men aged 40 to 70 saying anything, and why a broken arm is easier to mention than a bad month - Women talk face to face, men sit shoulder to shoulder: what that does to how help gets asked for - Speaking to Tiger 21, expecting to be laughed out of the room, and a billionaire being vulnerable for the first time - The Harvard study of adult development, and the single question that predicted a fulfilled life - Building products that deliver dopamine hits, from someone who was inside Twitter while it happened - Community, accountability and a morning routine as the unglamorous part that works If you are struggling, you are not alone and support is available. In the Netherlands, 113 Zelfmoordpreventie: call 113 or 0800 0113. In the US, call or text 988. Elsewhere, findahelpline.com lists free confidential services by country. CHAPTERS 00:00 Introduction, and meeting Shawn Lesser and Brent Herd 03:31 Fifteen years in equity sales, and founding Big Path Capital 04:58 Yahoo, AOL and opening Twitter's Atlanta office 06:00 What is not on the CV: the months before it broke 06:31 December 18th, and the day he could not function 08:15 Losing the firm, and the shaking that lasted two months 08:43 The text his wife sent to a man he barely knew 12:15 Coffee at seven in the morning, for two to three months 13:15 Naming it The Real, and deciding to tell the story 14:16 The texts, and the video he recorded of himself 16:12 Everyone ends up in the ditch, and needs pulling through the channel 17:42 The scale of it, and why treatment capacity cannot meet demand 19:59 Young people, social media, and the numbers that keep rising 21:31 Why men aged 40 to 70 will not say anything 24:40 Tiger 21 in Chicago, and the room that would not stop talking 28:31 "Neither of you are qualified": the challenge, and their answer 36:05 The Harvard study, and the question that predicts a fulfilled life 38:20 Building the dopamine hit, from inside the company that built it 52:09 Toxic masculinity, primal wiring, and the man caught between them 56:02 Why most events change nothing, and what continuity requires ▶ Subscribe for a new Radical Truth conversation every week: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDBhRVM93uUnAAtqOMIz_yg?sub_confirmation=1 RELATED EPISODES - Joshua Haynes, Masawa, on founder psychology as the risk investors refuse to price. - Michaela Berglund, Feminvest, on what fundraising costs the person doing it. MORE ON THE REAL - Shawn Lesser on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawnlesser/ ABOUT THE TBLI RADICAL TRUTH PODCAST Welcome to the TBLI Radical Truth Podcast, where we feature the pioneers redefining the purpose of capital. For 30 years, TBLI Group has been the world's leading ESG and impact investing network. Here's why Radical Truth is different: most finance podcasts protect the industry — Radical Truth interrogates it. Every week, unfiltered conversations with the founders, fund managers and system-changers actually moving capital toward a liveable future, and calling out the impact-washing that isn't. No sponsors. No pretending. TBLI GROUP - https://www.tbligroup.com - Robert Rubinstein on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertrubinstein/ #MensMentalHealth #MentalHealth #Depression #Burnout #Vulnerability #MentalHealthAwareness #Leadership #ImpactInvesting #Wellbeing #MensHealth #ShawnLesser #TBLIRadicalTruth Recorded in 2023.

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