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Nikhyl Singhal is the founder of The Skip, a community for senior product leaders; a former product exec at Meta, Google, and Credit Karma; and a many-time founder. Heâs also one of the most honest, unfiltered voices on whatâs actually happening in product management right now. *In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:* 1. Why the next two years will be the most chaotic period in product management history 2. Why half of current product managers are at risk, and what separates those whoâll do well 3. Why you need to find your âmoments of joyâ with AI 4. The âsmiling exhaustionâ heâs seeing across the product community 5. The psychological barriers that prevent people from reinventing themselves 6. Why your resumeâs fancy logos matter less than ever, and what matters now 7. His prediction that companies will shed 30,000 people and rehire 8,000âall AI-first *Brought to you by:* WorkOSâModern identity platform for B2B SaaS, free up to 1 million MAUs: https://workos.com/lenny Vantaâautomate compliance, manage risk, and accelerate trust with AI: https://vanta.com/lenny *Episode transcript:* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/why-half-of-product-managers-are-in-trouble *Archive of all Lenny's Podcast transcripts:* https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0 *Where to find Nikhyl Singhal:* ⢠LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhyl ⢠X: https://x.com/nikhyl ⢠Podcast & Newsletter: https://skip.show ⢠Skip Community: https://skip.community ⢠Skip Coach: https://skip.coach ⢠Skip.help: https://skip.help *Where to find Lenny:* ⢠Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com ⢠X: https://twitter.com/lennysan ⢠LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ *In this episode, we cover:* (00:00) Introduction to Nikhyl Singhal (02:25) The big picture: whatâs changing for product managers (10:00) Are product leaders doing better than 2-3 years ago? (11:44) What will change in the next couple of years (14:23) How companies are changing the way they build products (15:51) What âjudgmentâ really means for PMs (17:46) Why there wonât be any more bad software (20:25) The skills you need to be effective today (23:31) Why there are more PM roles than ever (24:27) The builder versus information-mover divide (30:14) The non-builder problem (30:53) Should PMs code? (34:15) Why experienced leaders still matter (35:44) The diversity setback nobodyâs talking about (37:21) Why your brand doesnât matter as much anymore (39:54) How valued skills are flipping upside down (40:49) Why change is so hard for humans (43:53) The âequal disappointmentâ algorithm (46:39) You must cross the threshold (48:37) This chaos will settle (53:19) Finding your moment of joy (58:50) Nikhylâs AI stack and what heâs building (1:00:53) The obsolescence mindset (1:05:24) Specific advice for PMs right now (1:08:58) The four jobs that will exist in the future (1:11:59) Why alignment is changing (but not disappearing) (1:15:40) How engineering is changing even more than PM (1:17:04) The surprising design plateau (1:18:49) Finding optimism in the chaos (1:21:12) Lightning round *Referenced:* ⢠Building a long and meaningful career | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-a-long-and-meaningful-career ⢠COBOL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL ⢠United Airlines: https://www.united.com ⢠State of the product job market in early 2026: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/state-of-the-product-job-market-in-ee9 ⢠Head of Growth (Anthropic): âClaude is growing itself at this pointâ | Amol Avasare: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-1b-to-19b-growth-run ⢠Demis Hassabis on X: https://x.com/demishassabis ⢠Sam Altman on X: https://x.com/sama ⢠Dario Amodei on X: https://x.com/DarioAmodei ⢠Cross on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Season-1/dp/B0D6X7ZZHC ⢠Jack Ryan on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Tom-Clancys-Jack-Ryan/dp/B0CNDCMN8R ⢠24 on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/24-Season-1/dp/B000HPF85A ⢠Claude Code: https://code.claude.com ⢠Codex: https://chatgpt.com/codex ⢠Lovable: https://lovable.dev ⢠Sonos: https://www.sonos.com ⢠âThere are only four jobsâ on X: https://x.com/yrechtman/status/2039012253341495462 ⢠Paradise on Hulu: https://www.hulu.com/series/paradise-2b4b8988-50c9-4097-bf93-bc34a99a5b4f ⢠Lioness on Paramount+: https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/lioness ⢠Albert Einsteinâs quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/115696-genius-is-1-talent-and-99-percent-hard-work *Recommended books:* ⢠James: https://www.amazon.com/James-Novel-Percival-Everett/dp/0385550367 ⢠The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn: https://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Huckleberry-Finn-Unabridged-Uncensored/dp/195483943X _Production and marketing by https://penname.co/._ _For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email [email protected]._ Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.
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